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9th-Aug-2006 01:00 pm
A couple, actually.

lothy posted a discussion of language in Harry Potter fics:

Discussion for the day: language in Harry Potter fics.

Practically every day I read a fic and think 'Harry/Hermione/whoever would never say this'. I'm not thinking about meaning, but rather actual language.

Sometimes, it's understandable. Americans, for instance, may not know that we say 'trousers' not 'pants'. And anyone is naturally going to write in their own style; we're not all language experts to study J K Rowling and copy her exactly.

But there are some obvious things that can be adhered to. Harry, for instance, has to my knowledge never used any kind of religious swear word in canon (e.g. 'Jesus Christ!' or whatever). And he certainly doesn't use anything more extreme.

Now, obviously Rowling is writing for kids. But she has still set up a character that does not swear; or not beyond 'git' and similar words. So to have Harry using anything worse than that is OOC.

As I said, some differences can't be helped. But authors can and should glance through a copy of Harry Potter and see what kind of language Harry and the others use! Similarly, while American authors can't be expected to know every difference, how hard is it to go to FictionAlley and ask a few questions in the Britpacking forum?

Some otherwise wonderfully written stories make these kind of mistakes, and it annoys me. Harry doesn't swear, and unless you have a valid reason to make him do so (PWPs, for instance, almost all contain bad language!) can you please stay away from it?

While I don't agree about the language thing, I do very much agree about the English terms. I told lothy, it always makes me wince when I read some obviously American term in a fic. Just like it does when I read an obvious non-American term from an American character.

So, not just in HP fic, but in any fic, if it's language you don't see in the book, or hear on a show, is it OOC in fic? You know me, I'm not much for canon, so it doesn't bother me.

Someone(amanuensis1, maybe?) else was talking about the male equivalent of the term "slut", saying there really isn't one. Well, libertine, or rake or satyr, but in the middle of hot sex in a fic, that's sort of awkward. I(and a lot of others, it turns out) think it's hot when guys call each other slut or whore in fic. Opinions?
9th-Aug-2006 10:52 pm (UTC)
I love it when guys get called a slut or a whore. I thought I was the only one that kinky, lol. ;)

I'm so funny about Britspeak...I have so many English friends, I automatically say "trousers" when I mean "pants" because I'm afraid they'll think I mean underwear! *g*
12th-Aug-2006 01:37 am (UTC)
Absolutely! I worry about that, too.
12th-Aug-2006 01:39 am (UTC)
And surely you knew I was that kinky, too.
10th-Aug-2006 07:33 am (UTC) - Sorry for ranting, but I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a while.
I kinda like slut or whore or bitch. But I hate, hate, HATE it when it's OOC for the pairing. I mean, take Toby and Chris. Toby was Vern's bitch, but because he was forced to be and he obviously didn't enjoy it in the slightest, yet so many writers think it's natural for him to want the same kind of thing from Chris, minus the public bootlicking at least. This is despite the fact that the one time Chris called Toby a bitch in canon, he got a blood nose and a ton of verbal abuse in return, and a Toby who was still mad as hell after a few days in the hole to cool down. Not to mention how much Toby *didn't* enjoy getting his bones broken. Chris won Toby over by being kind and affectionate, and he had to spend months compensating for the abuse he inflicted before Toby would forgive him and take him back. It was manifestly NOT the abuse that attracted Toby.

And please, let's never see another fic where Toby is pole dancing in a feather boa (unless it's the same deal as the drag act in the variety show). That's just wrong.
12th-Aug-2006 01:36 am (UTC) - Re: Sorry for ranting, but I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a while.
Okay, I can agree with that, certainly in a fic that uses Oz canon - - that would *not* turn Toby on.
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